Legally binding targets for greenhouse gas emissions for individual German ministries are a danger to democracy, says the Christian Democrat MP Andreas Lämmel. He is warning of a “dictatorship of climate law”.
Sarah Zerback (Deutschlandfunk): The
Environment Minister is responsible for climate protection, but not for
traffic, industry, power plants and buildings that emit greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere. And so it is already clear why the planned Climate
Protection Act is currently causing a spat in the coalition government. That’s
because with her law Svenja Schulze, the environment minister, wants to call
her ministerial colleagues to account, with strict guidelines. Strong
criticism comes primarily from the Christian Democratic Party. We can now
talk about it with Andreas Lämmel. He is the CDU chairman of the parliamentary
Economics Committee. Are the climate protection plans of your party too
Andreas Lämmel: The climate goals that we have set ourselves together with our coalition partners can be reached. The only question is how to get there.
Zerback: Yes, the Federal Environment Minister has now published the draft of a Climate Change Act.
Lämmel: Yes, she has come up with a bill that, in my view, is completely unsuitable for solving this problem. You know we have overcome the dictatorship of the working class here in East Germany, and now we are facing a dictatorship of the climate law. I do not consider this law to be compatible with a market economy.
Zerback: What exactly of Schulze’s bill reminds you of the former [socialist] Germany Democratic Republic?
Lämmel: If I just look at the fixed allocation of targets for the six sectors. The bill includes a plan and fixed annual numbers of what every sector has to deliver every year. I remember the current discussion about diesel cars. This problem we now have was caused five years ago because of certain targets that were set and written into law but which no one can actually explain. Likewise, no one can explain how to achieve these sector targets or where those annual numbers come from.
Zerback: As I understand
the minister it’s not that she allocates any specific targets, but that each department
will have to set its own targets. What speaks against the idea of holding ministers
Lämmel: First of all,
there’s nothing wrong with that, because the ministers are in any case already
responsible for achieving their climate goals. But now we are slowly
entering a Republic of Committees and Councils. A new council would be set
up to monitor practically the entire economy. Secondly, I ask myself what basic
democratic understanding Frau Schulze actually has. After all, if the
annual targets are not reached, an emergency programme would be launched, so to
speak, without the participation of Parliament, which should then be
implemented by the respective ministries on their own accord. And the
Federal Council would be completely excluded by law. So I really wonder
what basic understanding the environment minister demonstrates here.
Zerback: But if the
individual departments do not deliver, then what speaks against forcing them, it
is clearly their responsibility, climate protection is expensive and is getting
more expensive, if the agreed targets are not achieved?
Lämmel: If the goals
are not achieved there must be reasons why they are not achieved. And to
lead a discussion by simply writing prescriptions into a law that may not be
achievable on a year-by-year basis, that’s a complete political nonsense from
the outset, I have to say.
Zerback: But why are
you optimistic that it is possible without legally binding targets? Because
history shows that the agreed climate targets will be missed for example for
the year 2020, and by clear margin.
Lämmel: Yes, well,
for 2020, this was not an absolute goal – but for us 2030 is the next threshold. And
all political activities are geared towards achieving the 2030 goals. Why
then a rigid annual target? Somebody has to explain that to
me. Imagine that you are preparing a major policy that will come into
force next year that really should contribute. But you are suddenly missing
last year’s annual target. That’s when this whole legal mechanism starts to
kick in with immediate emergency programmes and all sorts of actionism. That
is not political responsible.
Zerback: Mr. Lämmel,
if I may interrupt you there again. Maybe that’s why it’s so good to have
these rigid annual targets, so that if we speak again say in the year 2029 and
you tell me, sorry, but it’s not possible by 2030?
discussion is already underway. I have been a member of the Coal Commission. This
commission has already been set up to meet this 2030 climate target.
Zerback: Yet the
results of the coal commission are already been questioned by your own party,
the Christian Democrats.
Lämmel: Yes, of
course, because you can not outsource such decisions from the political
process. Commissions and councils, as envisaged by the climate law, can
make recommendations, as the coal commission has done. But they cannot
make political decisions.
Zerback: But as I am
now asking your professional …
Lämmel: Otherwise we would
have to fundamentally change our political system if that’s what we want.
Zerback: Excuse me,
Herr Lämmel, I did not want to interrupt you too soon. But as I understand
your job title, you are a politician, and you have been in the coal
commission. So, where do you see …
politicians were not entitled to vote in the coal commission. We attended,
that’s right, we were also allowed to contribute to the discussion, which I
have also done. But ultimately, the decisions were made by others.
Zerback: Yet the
federal government agreed it its coalition agreement that there should be a
climate protection law, as the environment minister has now submitted. Why
are you fundamentally questioning this now?
Lämmel: I do not
fundamentally question the project itself. After all, it was agreed in the
coalition agreement. But I question how this draft law was published, and
secondly, the mechanism of the law. Unfortunately, in the past [in socialist
Eastern Germany], I had to work on five-year plans and I do not feel like doing
Zerback: So you just
want to talk about details, but not about the big picture?
Lämmel: No, that’s
not the point. But it cannot be that one sets specific targets into law
that cannot be justified in principle by anyone, but there is an overall
number, that is the achievement of the overall climate goals.
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